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Subject: Islam in the Bible
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n1ck 12.06.09 - 06:56am
Chapter 9 of Revelation has some startling parallels to the rise and fall of Islam between 590 AD and 1672 AD. *
n1ck 12.06.09 - 06:57am
Take out your swords and turn to Revelation chapter 9. Please read verse 1 to 21 before continuing to read the rest of this topic. *
n1ck 12.06.09 - 06:59am
Chapter 9 says that a plague of locusts (an army symbolic of locusts, that is) would arise and be given power to hurt men 5 months. Now consider the day-year prin l of prophetic timing. This prin l comes from Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6, and it means that one day in prophecy = 1 year on earth time (using 360 day calendar, according to the ancient calendar method). *
n1ck 12.06.09 - 07:00am
Consider the Islamic armies for a moment. They arose suddenly out of the Arabian desert (like locusts, which originate from the desert) and between 590 AD and 632 AD, under the leadership of Muhammed they swarmed over the entire Arab desert, Northern Africa and southern Europe as far west as Spain. Battle after battle, they spread, forcing their captives to convert to Islam or die by the sword - thereby tormenting their souls, right? *
n1ck 12.06.09 - 07:02am
Back to the 5 months of Revelation 9:5 and the day-year prin l. A day in prophecy = a year on earth. 5 months = 5 x 30 days = 150 days = 150 years on earth. *
n1ck 12.06.09 - 07:04am
Now interestingly, if you take the date of 632 AD, which was the year in which the Islamic armies were finally halted and sent back by the European armies led by Charles Martell, and work backwards 150 years, you get to 582 AD, which is very close to the year of the first battle of the Islamic armies - 590 AD. *
n1ck 12.06.09 - 07:05am
But prophecy in the Bible is an exact science. It wouldn't just be a close thing. So what happened in 582 AD? Interestingly, 582 AD was the year that Muhammed, the beloved prophet of Islam and leader of the Islamic armies, turned 13 years old, the age of accountability according to both Jewish and Islamic tradition and culture! *
n1ck 12.06.09 - 07:07am
So from the year that prophet Muhammed reached the age of accountability, when he became personally accountable to God for his actions, to the end of the first invasion of Islamic armies into the West, is exactly 150 years! *
n1ck 12.06.09 - 07:09am
So continuing now, the Islamic armies were halted and defeated in Christian Europe in 632 AD.
BUT, Rev 9:12 says One woe is past, and behold, there come two more woes hereafter.
So did the Islamic armies fade away after the 632 defeat? No! They simply turned their attention to the East.
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n1ck 12.06.09 - 07:09am
Over the next few hundred years the Islamic armies moved East, taking over India, Russia, Ukraine, Afghanistan, Indonesia and the Philippines. These countries still have major Muslim populations today, particularly Indonesia which has the most dense Muslim population in the world. Then, they turned their attention back to the West again, wanting to take back the holy land - Jerusalem! *
n1ck 12.06.09 - 07:10am
The second woe was about to begin. *
n1ck 12.06.09 - 07:11am
In 1281 AD the Islamic armies took Jerusalem. This was the beginning of what was to be known as the Crusades - a fierce war spanning over 200 years between Catholic Europe and the Islamic armies.
There were 4 major wars between the Islamic armies and the West, the first being the battle which saw the Islamic army take control of Jerusalem in 1281 AD, until the 4th major war in 1672 finally saw the end of the second invasion of Islamic armies into the West. *
n1ck 12.06.09 - 07:21am
The 4 major wars were as follows:
1. 1281 AD - The Islamic armies claim their first victory over the ''Christian'' Empire at Jerusalem.
2. 1357 AD - The Islamic armies cross over into Europe for the first time since 632 AD.
3. 1453 AD - Constantinople falls to the Islamic armies.
4. 1672 AD - The Islamic conquest into Poland is halted and they are finally defeated. *
n1ck 12.06.09 - 07:25am
The second invasion of Islam into the West therefore lasted from 1281 to 1672 - a total of 391 years. *
n1ck 12.06.09 - 07:26am
What does Revelation say after 9:12? *
n1ck 12.06.09 - 07:29am
Revelation 9:15
And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. *
n1ck 12.06.09 - 07:30am
Could the four angels represent the four major wars between 1281 and 1672? Or could these angels have been sent by the Lord to set the four wars in motion? *
n1ck 12.06.09 - 07:30am
Lets look at the timing. Check this out: Verse 15 says they were prepared for an hour, a day, a month AND a year. This verse is not talking about A particular day, because it doesn't say THE hour and THE day, etc. Its talking about a period of time that is successive. *
n1ck 12.06.09 - 07:33am
Ok now lets apply the day-year principle to the hour, day, month and year.
A year is 360 days (ancient 360 day calendar remember) = 360 years.
A month is 30 days (according to 360 day calendar) = 30 years. So far we have 390 years.
A day = 1 year. So far we have 391 years.
There are 24 hours in a day, so divide 360 days by 24 = 15 days.
So our total period of time for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year is 391 years and 15 days.
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n1ck 12.06.09 - 07:33am
Look at that!! The second wave of the Islamic invasion into the West lasted from 1281 AD to 1672 AD - a total of 391 years!!! *
n1ck 12.06.09 - 07:34am
Wonder what the dates of the 1st and last battles were? You would more than likely find the 15 days to be accurate too! *
n1ck 12.06.09 - 07:34am
All this was prophecied 1600 years earlier when the Revelation was given to John. Amazing! *
n1ck 12.06.09 - 07:35am
What I have described above were the 5th and 6th Trumpet Judgements. *
n1ck 12.06.09 - 07:41am
Some of you may ask, why would God send Islamic armies against Christian Europe?
Well, its a JUDGEMENT. The major bone that the Islamic armies had to pick with the mostly Catholic West was their use of idols and idol worship. Remember, Muhammed's Islam religion was pushing monotheism, and at that time the Roman Catholic West was very involved with idol worship - building of statues of Mary, worshipping Mary, praying to Mary, assigning immaculate conception to Mary, etc. etc. *
n1ck 12.06.09 - 07:44am
It seems that God raised up the Islamic armies out of the desert, like a swarm of locusts, to purge the Christian West of the evils of idol worship. It is no coincidence that around the time that the second Islamic invasion ended in 1672, the Protestant Reformation had begun which saw thousands depart from the Catholic church and denounce the idol worship and other heresies of the Catholic church. *
kaaka 30.06.09 - 10:44am
The very first injunction given to the Prophet - 'Read in the name of your Lord who created' - stresses the importance of knowledge (96:1). And the last words of revelation pertain to the life hereafter (2:281).
The Quran was revealed over a period of twenty-three years and was written down in its entirety during the Prophet's lifetime, although the verses were not gathered together in one volume at that time (Al-Katani, V.2, p.384).
For the first twenty-three years the Prophet himself was the fountainhead of Qur'anic learning. Then he appointed certain of his followers to convey the message of the Qur'an after him. These were men who, having memorized the entire Quranic text with complete accuracy, were fully competent to impart its teachings. During the caliphate of Umar Faruq, the second caliph of Islam, a man who had come from Kufa to Madina told the caliph that there was someone in Kufa who was teaching the scriptures from memory. At this Caliph Umar was enraged. But when he found out that the person was none other than Abdullah ibn Masood, he regained his composure, (Istiab, Vol. I, p. 377) the reason being that Abdullah ibn Masood was one of those appointed by the Prophet himself to perform this service. Other more prominent scholars of the Qur'an were as follows: Usman, Ali, Ubayy ibn Kaab, Zayd ibn Thabit, Ibn Masood, Abu Darda, Abu Moosa Ashari, Salim Maula Abi Huzayfa.
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kaaka 30.06.09 - 10:45am
However, these Muslims, who had been assigned this task, could not survive forever. Undoubtedly, they were going to leave the world one by one, and then there would be the risk of the Qur'an falling into the hands of less responsible, less knowledgeable people, who might not preserve it intact and who would almost certainly differ as to its true meaning. There was even the danger of its being entirely lost to posterity. With the death of 700 of the Prophet's Companions in the Battle of Yamamah in 12 A.H., this danger began to loom large.
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kaaka 30.06.09 - 10:47am
It has been recorded in the annals of history that when Salim Maula Abi Huzayfa was martyred, Umar felt the danger of the Qur'an being destroyed and came to Abu Bakr, the first Caliph, to discuss this (Fathul Bari, v. 9, p. 5). Salim was one of the few surviving companions who had been selected by the Prophet himself to spread the teachings of the Qur'an. The solution suggested by Umar to Abu Bakr was to preserve the Qur'an by making a formal compilation of it in written form.
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enryu 30.06.09 - 10:47am
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(**Nick** lol enryu!) *
kaaka 30.06.09 - 10:49am
As has been established, the Prophet always arranged for each passage of the Qur'an to be recorded in writing as soon as it was revealed. This kitabat (writing down on paper) was so meticulous a procedure that after verse 95 of chapter 4 had been revealed, and the words except those who are disabled were revealed again as an addition to the same verse, it was arranged that this phrase--according to Imam Malik--be written at the same moment by the transcriber. (Durr Mansoor, Vol. 2, p.203)
It was customary for the Prophet to ask the transcriber to read out the verses after writing them down. According to Zayd ibn Thabit, if any part was missed out in the writing, he would correct it and only after this written work was fully completed would the Prophet allow the propagation of those verses (Majmauz Zawaid, vol.I, p. 60).
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kaaka 30.06.09 - 10:51am
When by the help of Gabriel the Qur'an was fully and systematically arranged, the Prophet recited it to his companions on different occasions in the order with which we are familiar today. The Qur'an was thus preserved in its pristine form in the memories of tens of thousands of the companions during the Prophet's lifetime.
The preservation of the Qur'an passed through three stages: transcription, compilation and collection. In the first stage, as soon as a chapter or a verse was revealed, it was committed to writing. The following items are mentioned in books as examples of the writing materials used:
Riqa'a--Thin leather piece Likhaf--Thin slates of white stone
Katf--The round bone of the shoulder of the camel
'Asib--The wide part of the root of the date branch.
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kaaka 30.06.09 - 10:54am
In the hadith, the second stage of this process is referred to as compilation. That is, first the verses were written down at the time of revelation. Then, when one chapter was completed, the whole chapter (often it took several revelations to complete one chapter) was written in compiled form, i.e. arranged in proper order on riqa'a (leather). Such copies of the compiled Qur'an (complete or incomplete) were in the possession of a large number of people during the lifetime of the Prophet. We have the well-known incident of Umar who beat his own sister and brother-in-law mercilessly for having accepted Islam. Finally, when his anger had subsided, he asked them to show him the book they were reading from. His sister replied that he could not touch it in a state of impurity and only after he had bathed himself did his sister give him the book (Ibn Hisham).
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kaaka 30.06.09 - 10:54am
The third stage of this process is termed Collection that is, writing down the entire Qur'an together in one volume. The form of the bound volume consisting of pages of the same size was not prevalent in the Prophet's time. According to a narration recorded by Bukhari, only four companions Ubayy ibn Kaab, Muadh ibn Jabal, Abu Zayd, and Zayd ibn Thabit had the entire Qur'an put together during the life of the Prophet. In Kanz al Ummal, referring to Muhammad, Ibn Kab Al-Qurzi gives us the names of five such collectors of the complete Qur'an. However the status of their collections was that of a personal possession. The official version was produced under the direction of the caliph Abu Bakr, who had it bound after arranging for all the verses to be written on square papers of the same size. Imam Malik has also recorded (citing as his source, Shahab Zahri, who had learned it from Salim, son of Abdullah ibn Umar,) that Zayd ibn Thabit wrote down all the verses of the Qur'an on al-Qaratis (papers of the same size) at the command of Abu Bakr. This volume was called Raba'a (square). (Itqan, v. 1, pp. 84-85)
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kaaka 30.06.09 - 10:55am
In later times the written Qur'an became the main source of Islamic learning. But one danger was still lurking. In sacred books even very minor differences can become a source of great controversy. It was feared that if people wrote the Qur'an on their own, differences in transcribing (kitabat) e.g. writing 'eether' for 'either' and in recitation would create widespread dissension and there would be no way of putting an end to it. For instance, just one word in the first chapter of the Qur'an was written in different ways according to the pro nunciation of different dialects: maalik-e-yaumuddin, malik-e-yaumuddin and maleek-e-yaumuddin, etc.; with the passing of time and changes in the style of writing, the differences in the m cript would have become a source of great contention. Therefore, on the advice of Umar, Abu Bakr decided to have an authentic copy of the Qur'an prepared under state patronage and thus put an end forever to the possibility of phonetic differences obscuring the true meaning of the text.
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kaaka 30.06.09 - 10:56am
For this purpose Zayd ibn Thabit was the most competent, as he was the katib of the Prophet. Zayd and Ubayy ibn Kaab both had joined in the 'last recitation' having heard the Qur'an directly from the Prophet in the order still extant today. Not only had they memorized the entire Qur'an, but they also possessed the whole text in written form. The first caliph commanded them to collect all the available parts of the scriptures and to compile them. (Bukhari). After this decision had been taken, Umar made an announcement in the Mosque that whoever had any piece of writing from the Qur'an should bring it and hand it over to Zayd.
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kashish8 30.06.09 - 10:56am
Thanks kaka. *
kaaka 30.06.09 - 11:54am
After Zayd ibn Thabit had prepared the entire Qur'an and bound it in the form of a book, all other materials collected from different companions, for the purpose of checking and rechecking, were all burnt. Now this volume was handed over to the caliph. After Abu Bakr's death it remained with Umar, the second caliph. After the death of Caliph Umar it remained in the custody of Hafsa, daughter of Umar and wife of the Prophet.
During the caliphate of Uthman, Islam had spread far and wide, and the number of Muslims was legion. Moreover, the companions who taught the Qur'an had gone to different countries that had come within the fold of Islam. For instance, the Syrians learned the Qur'an from Ubayy ibn Kaab, the Kufans (the inhabitants of Kufa, a city in Iraq) learned the Qur'an from Abdullah ibn Masood and the Iraqis in general from Abu Musa Ash'ari. However, due to differences in accent and styles of writing, controversies again began cropping up. People even called one another heretics owing to such differences.
Ibn Abi Daud writes in his book, Al-Masahif, quoting Yazid ibn Muawiyah Nakhai, that once when Huzayfa ibn Al-Yaman was present in the mosque of Kufa, he found a group reciting the Qur'an. One of them recited a certain verse and said: This is the way of recitation of Abdullah ibn Masood. Another recited it with a different accent and said that was how Abu Musa Al-Ashari recited it. Huzayfa, enraged on hearing this, stood up and admonished this group: Those before you (people of the book) differed just like this. By God, I will go riding to the leader of the believers, Uthman, the third caliph.
Huzayfa was a military officer posted in Armenia and Azerbaijan, and had just come back from doing battle. But when he reached Madina, and witnessed the scene in the Prophet's mosque, instead of going straight home, he went directly to the third caliph and addressed him thus: O Leader of the believers! Take care of the people, before they fall victim to the differences regarding the book of God just as the Jews and the Christians did.
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kaaka 30.06.09 - 11:55am
These copies of the Qur'an, made with extraordinary care and precision, were passed on from generation to generation until the age of the press dawned. Many printing presses were then established in the Muslim world, where the beautiful calligraphy of the scriptures was reproduced after its content had been certified by memorizers of the Qur'an. Thus, once again, with the help of the memorized versions and written texts, correct, authentic copies were prepared; then with the publication of these copies on a large scale, the Qur'an spread all over the world.
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kaaka 30.06.09 - 11:56am
It is an irrefutable fact acknowledged by the orientalists, that any copy of the Qur'an found in any part of the world at any time will be exactly the same as that handed down to the Muslims by the Prophet in his last days, arranged in the form still extant today. *
n1ck 30.06.09 - 11:57am
kaaka, do you mind if I copy and paste all this to a new topic instead? *
kaaka 30.06.09 - 11:58am
no i dont mind! *
n1ck 30.06.09 - 11:59am
thank you. I have created a new topic already. Would you like to paste this info there, or would you like me to do it for you? *
